This is the first in a series of real conversations with Fred Poindexter (aka Eric Allen Vincent) and myself (Neil Slade) , tonight, November 8, 1 A.M., sitting in the living room in my home in Denver, after several hours of improvised guitar music.....

Eric: Didja ever lay outside in the sun looking at the sky, doing slow yoga natural breathing and all of a sudden you can see this pulsating beam of some sort coming out of your forehead and beaming up into the sky?

It's actually that energy that one can see visually that dissipates the clouds in a certain state of non-verbal consciousness. The inner dialog is quiet, subsided, you're just breathing and watching it. Rather than looking too hard, you just let it emanate into the field of vision.

Neil: Yeah, a lot of people seem to confuse all the verbal junk that is going through their mind with "intelligence". It's not necessarily true that the highest functioning intelligence in your brain can be put into verbal terms, or IS verbal. It's like saying water and this thought/word you have in your brain called "water" is the same thing. The name you have for something is not "it", it's not "the thing"! So, even if I explain "clicking your amygdala" all day long, it's not the same thing as when you do it.

I think, in historical times going back thousands of years, this concept eventually became that religious notion that you can't actually say the name of "God", or that real truth can not be described (a zen notion). I think this is what you are referring to when you talk about observing apart from verbal internal dialog- do that, and then you start to really see some unusual things....

Eric: The form of light, it's molecular structure is spinning at a higher rate of speed than regular light.

Neil: Does a more conventional thinking/verbalization process somehow "de-tune" your light perception, so you can't see this more subtle form of light energy?

Eric: Yes! Ah...... It's in the breathing, and in the observing, rather than being the doer....in letting the doer do it's thing all around you.

Neil: And your brain reflects what's OUT THERE rather than what's INSIDE YOUR OWN HEAD only.

Eric: I think it's like a bio-spiritual thing---it's just a higher form of light.

Neil: Don't get too hokey on me...this brain stuff tries to limit itself to demonstrable things. Spirit alone, is hard to demonstrate, and people give me hell for it.

Eric: But there is a scientific explanation for it, as well....

Neil: For what? There's a scientific explanation for what?

Eric: For viewing this pulsating light.

Neil: I see, so you're not talking about just something in your imagination, you're talking about something we have a material explanation for....

Eric: Yes. The oxygen ...

Neil: Wait- what oxygen?

Eric: The oxygen that you're breathing in- during your total relaxation and observation- is stimulating the higher cortex and firing electro-signals in the brain. It's fueling the synapses in the brain to stimulate the higher visual cortex.

Neil: Normally, through the day, you just don't breath that deep, right? You're getting less fuel, oxygen to your brain, and it's not running as powerfully or efficiently.

Eric: But that's one thing about the eastern culture where yoga is practiced traditionally, and religiously from childhood along with their eastern religious lifestyle. One could say that the "eastern folk" are actually in a more enlightened state of mind- which would be, to put it another way "no mind".

Neil: But religion doesn't have anything to do with it, unless it's somehow causing the individual to physically cause a change in the brain- like increased oxygen use.

Eric: But religion can lead us to that particular state of mind- which is necessary as well.

Neil: I don't know that a view on any particular deity can enhance brain function until someone has shown that Buddha sends more oxygen to the brain than does Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I believe "how" you use your brain, and "what" you think about can change actual brain function, and there's probably good studies that support this. "Faith" and the placebo effect are real. But one has to watch out for generalizations, especially when it comes to saying one belief system is better than the next.

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